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Post by Swarm on Aug 19, 2013 13:01:25 GMT -5
Punk vs Lesnar and Cena vs. Bryan should both land in your top 5. Bu then again I'm still stunned to see that Aries vs. Styles TNA spot fest make it and RVD vs. Jericho didn't so what do I know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 13:06:53 GMT -5
Punk vs Lesnar and Cena vs. Bryan should both land in your top 5. Bu then again I'm still stunned to see that Aries vs. Styles TNA spot fest make it and RVD vs. Jericho didn't so what do I know. I liked RVD/Jericho a lot and I even noted when I put AJ/Aries on the list that I'd probably remove it eventually (was pretty sure I did in the most recent update) because it was a match I was pretty in the middle about. The complaints against it are all valid but I liked the work done in that match. I'm contemplating moving both SummerSlam matches into the top 10, Lesnar/Punk probably closer to a top 5 spot. The problem with my top five is that it's really hard to move something out of it without a really super awesome match to replace it and I think Lesnar/Brock and even Cena/Bryan would fit that billing. Generally when I update the list it's just to get the stuff on there and a day or two later (usually sooner) I'll come back in and adjust the matches to where I think they should be after I give it some thought. And dude why not make your own list? It's not hard, just takes a ton of thinking as to where everything places. It's clear our tastes in wrestling are pretty different, I'm interested to see how your list would look.
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Post by Swarm on Aug 19, 2013 13:34:52 GMT -5
I enjoy reading your list but not so much interested in making my own. I don't watch enough to make a fair list imo. The Cena - Bryan match was basically the perfect match imo. Had everything, including a clean ending on a move that wasn't even a finisher. Theatrics afterwards aside, that's the best match I've seen all year.
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Post by chewey on Aug 19, 2013 13:37:39 GMT -5
I watched your #1 match, Ishii vs. Shibata (which for those who don't know, is also the video placed in Switch's signature), and I was wondering what you thought was so great about it? I don't know the backstories of either man, I don't know the typical styles of the two, or anything leading up to the match. However, to me it was a 13-minute match that probably averaged one non-striking move per minute, and while there was a lot of emotion and drama surrounding the two as they took turns pummeling each other, I don't understand at all why a short little match like this would get ranked higher than say the Tanahashi-Okada match, which I thought was a much better match.
Also I have been hearing that SummerSlam is easily the best WWE pay per view this year so far, so I'll have to find a way to watch this show sooner than later so that I can add to Swarm's discussion about whether I think those two matches should be in the Top 5.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 14:08:33 GMT -5
Chewey, here's a small bit of background and such on why I liked Ishii/Shibata so much:
Ishii/Shibata had a ridiculously hot crowd, a ton of tension, hate and drama and told a really great story.
For some background, Ishii is the underdog, he's an undercard guy and until recently had never been given a chance to shine. He's got the chance in the G1 tournament and pinned Tanahashi two days before. That said, Shibata is the pick to win the tournament and he's a shoot style guy. Ishii's mentor Riki Choshu instilled in his trainees to not take any shit from shooters like Shibata after Choshu had his face messed up by Akira Maeda in the 80s. Ishii is much like Choshu, a tank who hits super hard and despite his short stature, is super tough. Shibata, again, is a shooter, he's not going to give an inch and he doesn't really respect the underdog. Add to it the fact that Shibata's a guy who deserted New Japan and described himself as someone who wants to "repay the debt" to several guys in his block and you have an interesting match up.
So what happens in the match is that Ishii the underdog that nobody thought could down Tanahashi and he is in there with the kind of guy he's been indoctrinated to hate since day one. But he's not just doing this for the honor of New Japan, Ishii is trying to prove that he belongs. Ishii had a lot to prove in this tournament, and him not only surviving but WINNING this brutal of a match was one of the best stories told in the ring this year.
Hope that makes sense. If not, I could try to do a better summary when I'm not half awake.
EDIT: And SummerSlam was by far the best WWE PPV in well over a year. Cena/Bryan and Punk/Brock were both tremendous outings regardless of where they place on my list.
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